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>> carly fiorina, on clinton. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. then president obama fences off criticism he's not doing enough to defeat isis and protect the homeland. >> as we keep up the pressure, our air campaign will continue to hit isil harder than ever. >> congressman adam schiff, a top democrat who's been critical of the strategy, weighs in. plus two rips jockeying to become the donald trump alternative battle over immigration. >> ted, you support legalizing people who are in this countrily illegally. >> it's not accurate what he just said. in fact i led the fight against his bill. >> all right know. hello, again, from fox news
the democrats hell their final -- we'll get reaction from carly fiorina, who is a clinton critic, but first ed henry has the debate highlights from manchester, new hampshire. ed? >> well, chris, it's unlikely very many people were watching, in a move that critics say coddles hillary clinton, the front-runner, a debate was held late on saturday night, this time before christmas. so when clinton said it's simply because of glitches she's unlikely to take the heat, on the key issue, that clip you played where we are where we need to be in terms of a strategy, her staff quickly clarified she meant the u.n. resolution to get a political solution in syria, but there could be damage from that in the general election, and it's interesting that they all three
he's dominating the debate on both sides. >> mr. trump has a great capacity to use bluster and bigotry to inflame people. >> he is becoming isis's best recruiting. >> secretary clinton is too much into regime change and a little bit too aggressive without knowing what the unintended consequences might be. yes, we could get rid of assad tomorrow, but that would create another political vacuum that would bennett isis. >> we need to focus on destroying isil, but we shouldn't be the ones declare that assad must go. >> on the fiery issue, but aides to bernie sanders, peopling into a database, trying to get access, and apparently getting some access to the clinton playbook, sanders apologized and quickly moved on, even though there had been all this hype
off, it was a reminder very similar to the first democratic debate, where sanders said he didn't care about the clinter e-mails, even though they're under fbi criminal investigation, the bottom line is the latest fox poll shows clinton beating sanders by 22 points nationally, but let's not forget at this same point in 2007, a "the washington post"/abc news poll found clinton was winning by 29 points over a young senator named barack obama. chris? >> ed henry reporting from manchester, ed, thanks for that. joining us here, carly fiorin ms. fiorina, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you for having me. >> i want to pick up on exactly that comment that we have referenced a couple times, hillary clinton in the debate saying we are now where we need to be in fighting isis. year reaction? >> incredible, honestly somehow a u.n. resolution about syria puts us where we need to be? i think it's a reflection of
obama's beliefs that our foreign policy gets set by others. this is what leading from behind means, i guess. she failed to mention in last night's debate that her agreement with a precip 'tis withdrawal and declaration of victory in 2011 helped left baths of territory and weapon sill for isis. she failed to mention that she described assad as a reformer in opening an embassy. she failed to mention a complete failed strategy in libya, which is enibling isis to move into libya. she's gotten every single foreign policy challenge wrong, and no, mrs. clinton, we are not where we need to be in the fight against isis. almost acts as if he was the
she desperately hope she runs against donald trump. i, however, am the lump of coal in mrs. clinton's stocking. >> and why doi you this think that is she would like to run guess donald trump, but not you? >> she can beat donald trump. donald trump can't beat hillary clinton, and she doesn't want to run against me, because i can -- i will force her to fight on ground. i will force her to fight on the ground of her foreign policy mistakes. i will force her to fight on the grounds of he lices, whether it's about e-mails, servers or benghazi. i will reveal over and over again the clinton way dish say what you have to say to get elected. lie as long as you can get away with it. i will force he to run on accountability for the clinton way. >> let's turn to the -- your debate, the republican debate
about how you would fight isis. here's a clip. >> bring back the warrior class, petraeus, mcchrystal, keene, flynn. every one was retired early, because they told president obama things he didn't want to hear. >> now, it is true that some of those generals did leave over policy differences. >> four out of five. keene had already left. >> well, three out of five. petraeus really left because of scandal, also the mishandling of classified information. >> by the way, accomplice clinton still hasn't been indict indicted over the same things, so perhaps petraeus's dismissal was convenient. i don't know. i would say they're being handled very difficultly by this administration over arguably the exactly the same issue, which
information says his 'never spoken to -- >> i was certainly right about the fact. i was naming the five warriors of our generation who have experience, four out of five i would argue were retired early out of the obama administration because they said things the obama administration didn't particularly want to hear, but all five have real experience. all five of them have been highly critical of both mrs. clinton and barack obama, and all five of them have said we are not doing what is necessary to lead and to defeat isis. one of the other points you made in the debate, as president, you would work more closely with the tech world, as you say you did as the head of hewlett-packard after 9/11.
debate. >> the private sector will help, just as i helped after 9/11, but they must be engaged and they must be asked. i will ask them. i know them. in that case you were turning over equipment as the head. hp. now we're talking about whether to turn over using information, whether to unlock encryption. that's a very different ask, and they don't want to do it. >> actually we're talking about other things, chris. this is why it's helpful that i understand technology. hillary clinton tried to issue the same line last night and then had to quickly say i don't understand much about technology, because she doesn't. let me give you an example of what i'm talking about. when we miss with all the metadata collection we've had. the san bernardino couple and the tsarnaev brothers, what that
the wrong ago riches to search through all this data. algorithms have come a long way since 2011 or 2006, or 2007. in fact 9 private sector is improving their algorithmic ability to search through data. it's not that people are bad, it's that government bureaucracies crush innovation. we are fouling further and further behind. meanwhile, the terrorists are keeping up. we have been through four and five generations of technology since the patriot act. while lawyers are arguing about the patriot act or the america freedom act, the terrorists and technologists have moved on, and we are not taking advantage of
technology. you clearly have forgotten more than i have ever known. >> or any of my opponents. isn't it -- we're talking about companies like google and apple -- about user information about the ability to key to unlock encryption. they have refused to do so. >> i'm not say that isn't true. what i'm saying is the private sector has not been engaged, but tim cook, for instance, has repeatedly refused to give that up. >> he's been asked a very public question, and tim cook has refused in public. i don't blame him for that. i will guaranteed you there are all kinds of things that the private sector can be doing to be helpful, and they have not been engaged. in world war ii and we're at war now.
in world war ii, the government went to the private sector form the government asked the private sector for help in doing things the government could not do. the private sector complied. that is what i am suggesting. trust me, for example, there's a whole company that does nothing but derive and creatal go riches to search through big data. we're not using their capabilities. for heaven's sake, some of this is just ineptitude. i good go to social media, check out my granddaughter's new boyfriend, but the homeland security can't figure out they need to be tracking they jihadi web sites? some of this is bureaucratic ineptitude and a great deal is an administration that doesn't understand the urgency of the situation, and therefore this administration has not reached out actively to the private sector and said we need help. the main super-pac
separate, is now running an ad which linking you pretty directly to margaret thatcher. here's a clip. >> margaret thatcher once said she was not content to manage the decline of a great nation. neither am i. >> ms. fiorina, respectfully, isn't that a little over the top? >> first of all, it's not my ad. >> i understand. >> secondly, many people have commented on the comparison. i'm flattered by it, frankly. margaret thatcher was a great leader for her nation at a pivotal and a perilous time. so i find the comparison flattering, but that's up to others to say whether that comparison is justified. >> they have a quote from you in the speech where you're talking about margaret -- >> i quote her frequently. >> and then sort of comparing her hard-line view and your
repeatedly, tested conservative leader. margaret thatcherwon the faulklands ward, and stood with bush to kick saddam hussein out of kuwait. >> first of all, she had done none of those things until she was elected. by that definition she wasn't tested, either. i have been tested in many ways, personally i have beaten breast cancer, i bur buried a child to addiction. you can't go to the chief executive of the largest technology of the company in the world without having been tested over and over and over. i'm being tested in this campaign as well. so nobody need to worry about my tougugess.
not i've been tested, these pivotal times means something other than a politician. i understand the -- i have a lot of foreign policy, i understand technology, and i understand leadership. i've made tough calls and tough times and been held accountability. i think that is the kind of leadership that the american people need now to produce results. >> finally when i told people i was going to be talking to you, a lot of them raise this point. there was a point in which you were really high in the polls, and you have slipped considerably. in iowa, i know you don't like national polls, so we're going to look at early state polls. in iowa, it shows you in seventh place, down from third at 10% back in early october. in new hampshire now running eighth with 4.7%, down from second, with more than 14%. you're a numbers person. what happened?
hold on to anduild what a couple months ago was a really strong position? >> it's interesting, if you look at the polling, there are kind of four people up at the top, and then there's me and about three governors. i'm perfectly happy with that position, honestly, when i started this race, i was 17 out of 16. the pgllsters didn't even ask my name, because so few people knew me. frankly all the pundits and d.c. insiders thought i wouldn't ever be standing on the main stage. i am and i will stay there. i see in iowa building crowds. i just came from iowa yesterday. you know what i heard over and over and over again? now i'm really paying attention. people make up their minds late. if the polls at this stage in eaeaier races were true, we would have had president howard dean, president giuliani and by the way we would have already had president obama clinton.
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> you're never goii to be president by insulting your way to the presidency. >> so far i'm doing better. >> it doesn't matter. >> you started over here, jeb, moving over further and further. pretty soon you'll by off the end. >> trying to jump-start his campaign and trying to shut him down. it's time for our sunday group, fox news senior political analyst brit hume. julie pace who covers the white house for the associated press. syndicated columnistgeorge will, and p pitical analyst juan williams. let's start about the republican
it shows trump is in and out at 39%. i think it's fair to say you had doubts early on about the ability of donald d ump. fair to say you can winin the nomination. >> i remember saying i thought it would be a while, but i didn't know the while would be this long, or this much with us. >> i think it's distinctly possible. we have now reached the stage where national polls matter less than they have, because it's not a series of state by state contests. the picture may be somewhat different. iowa is up fifth. ted cruz is doing very well out there. it's certainly possible he could in the state and thehe question then becomom would that puncture this invince ebbet aura that donald trump has had about him
long, is now higher in the national polls. i think it's clear that fair to say -- open contouch, but as they read these polls, did they begin to thing they were slow recognize something going on in this country? you'll often here the president talk about things that are said and now you're seeing that a lot of americans do connect. i also think, though, that the white house and clinton campaign think they could easily beat donald trumumand they could use what he's saying now to cast all of the republicans in the same
>> then there was the face-off, fascinating face-off during the debate between marco rubio and ted cruz over the question of immigration reform. here is just a taste of that. >> does ted ted -- >> do not intend to support legalization. >> but it's more complicated than that. it now turns out back in 2013 when the senate was debatingng comprehensive immigration reform, cruz offered an amendment which would have allowed the 11 million people in this country illegally to gain legal status. here is what cruz says, here is what he was forced to say this week. >> th would still be eligible for legal status, indeed under the terms of the bill, they would be eligible for lpr status
>> i oppose amnesty, i oppose citizenship, i oppose legalization for illegal aliens. i always have and i always will. >> george, how much trouble is cruz in on now to the immigration issue? to what degree has rubio at least succeeded in muddying up the deferences between them? >> it's certainly a muddy situation. this, by the way is what we're talking about. that is the senate immigration bill. >> you have to pick that up -- here it is. >> 1,197 pages of comprehensive immigration reform. this is the bill they're talking about. >> back in 2013. >> exactly. you want to know the average annual wage of an immigrant animal sorter should be? by the way it's all in here. the senators know everything. that's why it had to be that big. the question is, was ted cruz trying to kill a bill with an
would forever preclude a path to citizenship, which we e ould popot out is whathe democrats were demanding as their part of the deal. >> precisely. so ted cruz was being disengenous when he said i offer you this, knowing it would drive away democratic support and kill the bill. if you're splitting an amendment that's a poisonpill, something designed to kill the bill, you have to deny what you are manifestly doing. now, he has in his defense, he can say, leaf, jeff sessions understood, he supported me. >> jeff sessions, the senator fromm alabama who is a fierce critic of legally -- legalizing illel immigrants. >> and chuck schumer recognized wht i was doing so, so it was transparent. the request you asked, will it hurt him? >>i suspect not.
procedures xepd ted cruz looked eye what he really is, a talented lawyer. therefore, to the extent he looked to be finally parsing different words, he looked lawyerly, and that's never a good thing. >> you can weigh in on that our talk about the democrat ecdebate. >> let me q qckly say i understood it differently. he may have been disingenuous and lawyerly, but i think he went on the record and said that it was not a poison pill, that he was not trying to kill the bill, and that would have allowed it to go forward. for now for himim to go back and say he wasn't forward as soon as possible toe expedient and political in touch, because rubio can't get away from his support for the immigration reform bill, which is for him
i will say this about lastst night with mrs. clinton. you opened up with carly fiorina saling we got the right strategy post-paris. >> we're finally where we need to be, with the u.n. and obama administration looking at taking a more aggressive stance and some of the arab cunning coming together, but clearlile polls suggest and americans thing we still don't have a strategy sufficient to give them assurance about isis type of attacks. >> you got to know, brit, the republicans will jump all over that and say we have isis where we want them? really? >> when you come out and say we are where we were to be regard to a strategy against isis, i think the american people as a whole and sen the rep candidates will have a field for that. i don't think anybody thinking that. >> well, last night the democrats thought she portrayed her as the hawk on the stage,
too much into regime change. that gives you a sense that the democratic base doesn't have a problem with it. >> i understand thth but the democratic base -- she's fine, as far as they're concerned. the question for her is, can she expand on that to be a majority. she faces a problem that barack obama did so b blliantly well, can she match that? when she's running around saying we're doing fine against isis, i'm not sure that helps her. up next, we'll talk with congressman adam schiff, the top democrat about the latest developing in san bernardino, including the arrest of the attacker's neighbor, who now faces terror charges. those new glasses? they are. do i look smarter? yeah, a little. you're making money now, are you investing? well, i've been doing some research. let me introduce you to our broker. how much does he chahae?
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well, there's no snow, but it's still beginning to look a lot like christmas tess white house, with 56 snowmen outside, each representing a u.s. state or territory. president obama has been busy these last two weeks defending his strategy to efeat isis and protect the homeland. joining us is congressman adam schiff, top democrat on the committee, welcome back to "fox news sunday."
an air france plan was diverted and had to land in kenya. they found something suspicious in the lavatory, and were investigating to see whether or not it was a bomb so far no sign that it was, but your reaction? >> this is really one of the foremost threats we face, one we're deeply concerned about, american airplanes originating in foreign airports. that b bmb that took down a russian airliners may have been the size of a soda can. and so this is still a grave threat. that is too ready access, we still have a problem here in this country of acts to air force -- >> you're talking about the back door. >> and that looks like what was involved with the downing of that russian plane in egypt, so
air france clearly took the right precautions. >> i want to ask you about the comment we've been ask you this morning, hillary clinton in last night's debate saying we are now where we need to be in the fight again isis. >> this was in the context of do we go after assad or isis, can we do both? the answer is basically we need to do both i think she's light, as long as he is there, there would be a recruiting magnet. >> but there's no agreement. the russians have not backed off assad and the iranians have not backed off assad. >> you're absolutely right. agrees to a process. the russian will come to that conclusion. i think they're coming to that conclusion as we speak, because the facts on the ground are not
ththught they would. they are making very little progress on the ground. so i think that is posing a real problem. so he will be looking for a resolution, the iranians are a tough one to pererade. unless they have a kurdish state, and -- they're going to have to come to a tape and bring about the end to this regime. >> you criticized president obama a couple weeks ago, saying if you're going to s sak to thee station, you have to bring something new. this is what president obama said this week. >> we are hitting isil harden than ever. our drones have been increasing the space. >> question, are you satisfied with the pace of progress?? are yoyo satisfied that president
should to fight isis? i think he's been rice to resist bringing in massive number of troops. the iraqis would love to americans die for them, it's good for everybody but the americans fighting and dying. tame, while the broad outlights, i think the right ones, the pace is not going fast enough. we have to do something to change the dynamic on the ground. for me it would be the safe zone, something that can end the refugee flows, something that can give space and time to train of forces, to take on isis. it provides this radicalization, appeared we're likely to see more -- and elsewhere, and that's the concern i have over pace. >> i want to pick up on that. you say, as you just said here,
safe zone, and no-fly zone. the president jects that. this week ash carter said he's at least raised the idea of apache attack hell coppeders, sending in special ops ground forces into the front lines to aid the arabs. the president rejects that asas well.l. theraqis haverejected that. the iraqis -- >> so has the president. >> the president is no willing to send in apaches and spotter if the iraqis say they don't want them and if these shia mobilization forces will be trying to kill mernsz. i don't ththk that makes sense, but i think it ought to -- i think they ought to put that front and center, because i think it does have the potential of really changing the battlefield conditions, and they've been stalemated for too
i hope it happens, but if the past is precedence that will still take a long time. i'm concerned the clock is still ticking. >> et's talk about american people and specifically about that couple that launched the terror attack in san bernardino that killed 14 americans as you look back now, the top democrat, was there an intelligence failure? or at least were there things that we should have been able to pick up before thehe a atack that we failed to pick up? >> that's exactly the question were studying. what can we learn? what did we do wrong? what did we miss? at this point we don't have the answer. i wish i could sake if only we had done this, we could have stopped the attack, but the takeaway may behat there are eople out therere in the country right now, we have investigations in all 50 states,
radicalization, there are friends and family who know it, and unless they step forward and say something, it may be impossibility to prevent another attack like this, so we can't rely solele on law enforcement or the intelligence community. there aren't always going to be signs they say. >> i want to pick up on that. a tremendous surprise to me and i think a lot of people, is that the government does not routinely search the social media histories of people who want to come into this country, fiancee visas, refugees. now, it turns out it was misreported and that tashfeen malik, whatever she said did it privately, no the on social media, but we don't even search the public media. one of the reasons is that the department of homeland security reportedly doesn't do it is that they reportedly are concerned about civil liberties, which raises the question, if a
this country, should be worried about their privacy or worried about protecting the homeland? >> we should be worried about protecting the homeland. i think that policy is changing, should change and will change. >> did you know that that was the case? >> i did not, and i think it's going to have to change. if someone is brought in for an bur view, asked about their views, butave posted thinks -- frankly i have much more faith in what they posted than what they say during the course of an interview. so we should be looking at that. >> because we're making a big point she didn't do it publiclysh but in private messages? >> there may be ways. that depends on the capables and what platform they are using. this gets into the whole issue of encryption. the answewe -- but of course, you
what platforms they may be use. this is always going to be imperfect and there will always be a risk. media. finally, we also found out this week that thousands of people who come intohis country oversay that i visas, and we don't know where they are now. that seems like a huge security gap. >> a tremendous amount come to the country legally, but overstay their vias. there has to be a stronger mechanism, to have a responsibility for who they're coming to visit or stay with. >> congress marn schiff, thanks for your time. happy holidays to you, sir. >> you too.
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the point is isil leaders cannot hide. our next message to them is simple -- you are next. >> president obama talking tough this week, as they trying to reassure americans he'sdoing everythinin he can to protect them. we' now back with the panel. first we have some breaking news. we were just talking in the previous segment with adam schiff about that flight that was diverted to kenya, because they found a suspicious-looking device in the lavatory. the ceoeo of air france says now they have inspected it and that
it. we got a bunch expressing serious doubt about the president's war on isis. david hutchison send this. if raqqah is the de facto capital of isis, why it not being leveled? and this tweet -- if we are not at war with radical islamic terrorist, what does the "i" in isil stand for? do they want to you fed up a lot of people are? >> they're starting to. that's why i think you've seen the president come out and talk about the strategy against isis, the terror campaign more broadly over and over and over again i think you'll seeee that through the state of the union. what you are not seeing is a real shift in the strategy. i don't think you'll see much of that the next we're -- it won't
manner that will be sufficient for a lot of people, but he believes in this, very resistant for fall for things like a no-fly zone. i think you'll see a dual track. >> the president met with columnists thiss week. there was basic paraphrase of what he said that was first in and then very oddly was taken out of a "new york times" story. we're going to put it up on the screen. mr. obama indicated he did not seat enough cable television to fully appreciate the anxiety after the attacks in paris and san bernardino. brit, what do you make of that? >> think it was snark against cable tv and fits in with what i think is the unmistakable subtext of what the president has been saying. he conveys to me a clear
is really overblown, yes, paris was tern and san bernardino was awful, but if you look at it in the larger scheme of things, which is how he proif dr i should sis is too minor a threat and much to minor a threat to mount a ground war the way we did to drive out saddam's army out. he saysd that's the impression he creates, you have to go with me with my more patient strategy, i have an eye on the larger picture and really serious threats like climate change, and i think he's impatient with the american people for being so easily excited by capable news about these occasional attacks. [ laughter ] >> okay. mon, your thoughts on that?
say -- you didn't have to see cable television to see one of the great capitals paralyzed, not in new york city, notin londodo but in san bernardino to understand that people would be scared out of their minds. >> let ate not go to hyperbole. you have a situation where one political party, in specific, it's all about terrorism. it's at if to the -- chicken little, the sky is falling -- you talk about terrorism. >> it has spiked in terms of priority, in terms of what americans are talking about, no question about that. but to say that it -- to the extent from the president's perspective it is worth putting grassroots on the ground, tens of t tousands of american troops getting injured or hurt, the kind of commitment. >> is that the only alternative?
about it. >> what about the no-fly zone that hillary clinton wants? what about the pentagon talking about sending apache helicopters and forward observers -- >> if you haha a safee zone, you have to defendndit. if yoohave a no-fly zone, again we saw what happened with the russians and the turks, so you have all srts of contingencies that would draw you in. >> just let syrians get killed? >> no, to the contrary. i think the president wantss more aggressive, special ops on the ground, in fact one of the republican criticism is he's got thousands of americans there. we just don't call them troops on the ground, and secondly, if you get the arab countries to take some action, we've seen some progress there. if you get the u.n. to say we're going to solve the syrian problem, get the russians involved in a productive posture, you are making progress, but the rep core says no strategy or failed strategy.
>> well, it does seem to me, when you get down to making presidentian decision about apache helicopters or not, and they can be vetoed by the iraqi government, which seems to be somewhat under the thumb of the iranian government, nong do you see the complete folly of our last 15 years of foreign policy, but you have to sympathize with the president. how do we treat the iraqi government? do we treat it as a friend other foe at this point? it's more than frustrating. it's paralyzing. >> the thing is for all the criticism, you say exactly what would you do so differently? you watch the debate, and i don't see it. >> do you agree with that? >> well, the willingness of the american people to commit ground troops to the fight against isis is growing. you can see it in the polling. it doesn't mean that we ought to do it or do it yet, but i think
people are moving. i think the president and by extension he democratic colleagues and those running for position are in a bit of a trap, because this strategy he has, this patient low-temperature war fare is probably not going to get the job done, and military experts say you have to have a ground force of some substance to occupy territory, tailing it back from isis and the rest of it. now, whether some foreign army com potioned of muslims largely can be mounded to do this is very much in doubt. the efforts they have made so far have utterly failed. the question is, general a job that has to be done one way or the other? or ass the p psident thinkinin i believe he thinking this is
in effect why let bag hat hold us hostage? why not give them weapons and let nim go at it. >> part of it is juan's point there's a lot of players and he worries about an american plane getting shot down, and also he points out isis doesn't have an air force, so you're not having to worry about that. >> and very quickly about weapons d dectly to the kurds? right now america is giving them, through but baghdad. so that's to the point. how do we deal with baghdad's government. honors veterans, and a holiday visit from the wallace grandkids.d it. done. doers built this country. the dams and the railroads. john henry was a steel drivin' man hmm, catchy. they built the golden gates and the empire states. and all this doin' takes energy -no matter who's doin'. there's all kinds of doin' up in here. or what they're doin'. what the heck's he doin? energy got us here.
it's a christmas tradition here, to share the story of how one family has found a way to express the meaning of the holiday season. it's a moving example of love for our country and personal generosity. once again, here is our "power players of the week." >> we wouldn't have the opportunities ifift waa't for the people that gave their live for us. >> it's that plain-spoken wisdom that has driven morrill worcester for years. he places wreathing as arlington, and thousands of volunteers are there to help him. >> i think a lott of people think like i do.
and they want to show it. >> this story begins back in 1962, when worcester, a 12-yard paper boy from maine won a trip to washington. what impressed him most was arlington, thth beauty and ignity and the rows and rows of graves. >> every one represent a life, a family and story. they're not just tombstones. they're all people. 30 years later in 1992, worcester was running hiswn wreath company inn harrington, maine. as xm approached he had a bunch left over. they were fresh, well made and i didn't want to throw them away. >> hi thought of arlington. when the cemetery approved, they drove the wreaths down and laid them on the headstones. so it continued for years until a few christmases back when an
picture which ended up on the internet. >> it kind of struck a nerve, and people e-mailed it to each other, and it really went around the world. >> we were there the next year as he and his workers at the worcester wrees loded upped wreaths, then they embarked on what embarked on the longest parade a 750-mile journey at some point attracted more than 100 vehicles. when he got to arlington, so many people watched to participate. >> the ceremony you're about to witness is an army replaying ser moyer to be coucted by the worcester wreath company. >> for years he paid out of this on his own pocket and started wreaths acontrolling america, sending hundreds to cemeteries and war memorials around the country, but he will need help
i think around 2.7 million graves. that's a tall order to decorate 2.7 million graves. >> but you'd like to do it, wouldn't you? >> i really would. sometime, i don't know how, but -- >> how long are you going to keep doing this? >> for as long as i work, and i notice my family will continue. it will be here for a long time. this is the 24th year morrill worcester has taken on his project. at argue and other cemeteries in all 50 states and overseas. this year over 70,000 volunteers helped place more than 9,000 wreaths. and here's a look from last year at all five of the wallace grandkids. now see how big they have all gotten.